Matt Fucking Hardy
2005-07-19 16:13:59 UTC
FANTASTIC FOUR 2 in the works...
Hey folks, Harry here... Shocking to say - I was quite pleased with
FANTASTIC FOUR's opening weekend. Why? Well frankly - I wanted the film to
do really well on it's opening to prove that the FF was a worthy story worth
pursuing. I'm also very happy that America's public went away to the tune of
nearly 60%... but I'll get into that later. Here ya go...
Hey Harry!
Whilst I'm sure you'd not class this as particularly good news, Ioan
Gruffudd revealed this morning on the BBC's Breakfast programme here in the
UK, that he was contacted last week by the head of Fox, and informed that
there would indeed be another Fantastic Four movie. Make of that what you
will!
Cheers,
Ding
With the nearly 60% drop from it's opening weekend - I thought - once I
heard news of a sequel in the works - that I'd pass along some notes from a
FANTASTIC FOUR fan other than myself. I'd also recommend going back to
Michael France - whose original script perfectly nailed what the first film
SHOULD HAVE BEEN - until ya hired a 1000 monkeys with typewriters for a
rewrite. I'd also recommend hiring a better director with a penchant for
directing actors as well as visually inventive scenes.
Harry - I have never commented on the board but have been a frequent reader
for a long time. Thought I would forward this to you after seeing Fantastic
Four (F4.01) this weekend.
TOP TEN THINGS TO DO TO IMPROVE THE NEXT FANTASTIC FOUR MOVIE
By Shane Montgomery
I saw the movie this weekend and would give it a "C". Being the Internet
lurker that I am, I have read a few reviews of the flick - all of which can
be summed up by the phrase I read on one review.
"FOUR? Yes. FANTASTIC? Not so much."
So I got to thinking about this particular franchise and have a few
suggestions.
THIS IS A COSMIC LEVEL, GRAND SCOPE SCI-FI MOVIE: Treat it as such. Make no
apologies for the Negative Zone, Cosmic Rays, Crazy Powers and the Fantastic
Car. It's a science fiction movie. George Lucas didn't say, "A light saber
would not work in the real world." Well, Stan and jack could not have given
a rat's @$$ about how Reed built the Fantastic Car or if it looked stupid.
They just made it cool. The world the F4 live in is not ours. They visit
other planets, dimensions and realities while we are still driving our Honda
Civics to our 9-5 jobs. These guys fight world-devouring giants, anti-matter
insects, and alien shape shifters. Spider-man works because it is a movie
firmly rooted in the real world of New York. The time it doesn't (Green
Goblin in 1st Movie) is when it moves to far into the real of camp. The
X-Men work because it is set in a real world with real racial tensions.
Those directors got it.
COULD WE START BIG TOO? I MEAN REAL BIG? The opening should be so different
than the first movie that there is no mistake that the new movie is so
different in content and professionalism that it sets the tone for the rest
of the franchise. (Give me 15 minutes of film to shoot my idea and a budget
and I will show you what I mean - imagine the FF fighting their way back to
our universe against a horde of bug-eyes Negative Zone creatures -
explosions, tension, humor and the only thing standing between them and a
safe return to Earth is a certain green alien with leathery bat-like wings
and a cosmic power rod on his neck.) Once through the FF go about their
business - just another day in the life of the Fantastic Four.
ART DIRECTORS TAKE NOTE - JACK KIRBY WAS A GENIUS: Base your art and style
for the movies on his concepts - particularly his designs after issue 45.
His walls were full of freaky, over the top, mind-blowing machines. Reed's
workshop should look like a giant erector set. The retro, art-deco feel
would be completely different than anything in the theaters now. Ditch your
modern Star Trek designs and embrace the King.
REED RICHARDS IS A FRIGIN' GENUIS - He is the most intelligent man in the
world and everyone knows it except Reed. He is way to busy creating. Reed
needs to create something useful. We never saw that in F4.01. I want to' see
him create a Negative Zone Portal, A fantastic Car, Ben's Flying Air Cycle,
a thought projector helmet. I know he created a chamber to reverse cosmic
rays - but come on, that felt more like a plot device (Superman 2 anyone)
than something that sprung from his imagination.
GET A NEW CINEMATOGRAPHER- F4.01 looked like a television show. The shots
had no depth; the lighting was not very strong.
GET DOCTOR DOOM RIGHT - He hates Reed Richards because Reed is smarter than
he is, not because Reed has Sue; not because he lost his company; not
because he botched an experiment. He hates "Richards" because he knows that
Reed is smarter and he will not tolerate that. Doom is also noble, unlike
the Doom portrayed in F4.01 who is petty, dishonest and moons over Sue more
than schemes ways to destroy Reed Richards. I remember an interview with
Stan Lee that quoted Stan when he described Doctor Doom's motivation to take
over the world, "Doom wants to rule the world and the scary part is he may
actually do a better job than we do right now if he was in power." With Doom
you have to get the feel that he might actually be able to create a better
world, society and culture with him at the helm. The biggest weakness he has
little to so with his armor. In fact he only has two weaknesses - his hatred
for Reed and his love for Laverteria. Oh yeah, he has to say, "Richards?
Bah!" at least once!
KEEP CHIKLIS BUT DITCH THE THING SUIT- If you keep the suit, redesign it to
resemble how Ben really looks. The distinct brow. I personally was surprised
at how much of Ben came through the mask and chalk that up to the job done
by the actor. But what was most disappointing was the size of the Thing on
screen. Ben is huge in the comics. He is massive. Don't think that size can
be done without CG Effects. Take a page out of the LOTR and SW universe. A
CG Thing would rock (pun intended) and with the technology used on the Hulk
every emotive expression would be captured on film.
DON'T CHANGE JOHNNY STORM EITHER - Chris Evans is perfect in his role as the
FF's resident hot head. He just needs to loose the buzz cut.
GET A REAL SCORE - Think John Williams meets Danny Elfman. The music has to
be on the same scale as the visuals - Comic when it is larger than life and
intimate when the screen is filled with tender, emotional moments. Oh yeah,
CAN FRIGN' DOCTOR DOOM HAVE HIS ON THEME A'LA DARTH VADER?
VILLIANS - WE WANT VILLIANS - I want to see the fricken' Frightful Four
(Wizard played by Steve Buscemi, Trapster, Medusa, and Hydro-Man)! I want to
see Anihillus and the Negative Zone! I want to see The Super-Skrull fight
the FF and defeat them and summon his fellow Skrulls to invade the Earth! I
want to see Galatcus, the Silver Surfer and the Watcher but they have to be
done right!
IT'S ALL ABOUT THE STORY STUPID - Most of all, remember that we saw the plot
holes in the first movie and we are not idiots. We want to know why the
character do what they do unlike how Doom acted in the end of the movie. We
want action driven by a plot, not vice-versa.
Shane
Hey folks, Harry here... Shocking to say - I was quite pleased with
FANTASTIC FOUR's opening weekend. Why? Well frankly - I wanted the film to
do really well on it's opening to prove that the FF was a worthy story worth
pursuing. I'm also very happy that America's public went away to the tune of
nearly 60%... but I'll get into that later. Here ya go...
Hey Harry!
Whilst I'm sure you'd not class this as particularly good news, Ioan
Gruffudd revealed this morning on the BBC's Breakfast programme here in the
UK, that he was contacted last week by the head of Fox, and informed that
there would indeed be another Fantastic Four movie. Make of that what you
will!
Cheers,
Ding
With the nearly 60% drop from it's opening weekend - I thought - once I
heard news of a sequel in the works - that I'd pass along some notes from a
FANTASTIC FOUR fan other than myself. I'd also recommend going back to
Michael France - whose original script perfectly nailed what the first film
SHOULD HAVE BEEN - until ya hired a 1000 monkeys with typewriters for a
rewrite. I'd also recommend hiring a better director with a penchant for
directing actors as well as visually inventive scenes.
Harry - I have never commented on the board but have been a frequent reader
for a long time. Thought I would forward this to you after seeing Fantastic
Four (F4.01) this weekend.
TOP TEN THINGS TO DO TO IMPROVE THE NEXT FANTASTIC FOUR MOVIE
By Shane Montgomery
I saw the movie this weekend and would give it a "C". Being the Internet
lurker that I am, I have read a few reviews of the flick - all of which can
be summed up by the phrase I read on one review.
"FOUR? Yes. FANTASTIC? Not so much."
So I got to thinking about this particular franchise and have a few
suggestions.
THIS IS A COSMIC LEVEL, GRAND SCOPE SCI-FI MOVIE: Treat it as such. Make no
apologies for the Negative Zone, Cosmic Rays, Crazy Powers and the Fantastic
Car. It's a science fiction movie. George Lucas didn't say, "A light saber
would not work in the real world." Well, Stan and jack could not have given
a rat's @$$ about how Reed built the Fantastic Car or if it looked stupid.
They just made it cool. The world the F4 live in is not ours. They visit
other planets, dimensions and realities while we are still driving our Honda
Civics to our 9-5 jobs. These guys fight world-devouring giants, anti-matter
insects, and alien shape shifters. Spider-man works because it is a movie
firmly rooted in the real world of New York. The time it doesn't (Green
Goblin in 1st Movie) is when it moves to far into the real of camp. The
X-Men work because it is set in a real world with real racial tensions.
Those directors got it.
COULD WE START BIG TOO? I MEAN REAL BIG? The opening should be so different
than the first movie that there is no mistake that the new movie is so
different in content and professionalism that it sets the tone for the rest
of the franchise. (Give me 15 minutes of film to shoot my idea and a budget
and I will show you what I mean - imagine the FF fighting their way back to
our universe against a horde of bug-eyes Negative Zone creatures -
explosions, tension, humor and the only thing standing between them and a
safe return to Earth is a certain green alien with leathery bat-like wings
and a cosmic power rod on his neck.) Once through the FF go about their
business - just another day in the life of the Fantastic Four.
ART DIRECTORS TAKE NOTE - JACK KIRBY WAS A GENIUS: Base your art and style
for the movies on his concepts - particularly his designs after issue 45.
His walls were full of freaky, over the top, mind-blowing machines. Reed's
workshop should look like a giant erector set. The retro, art-deco feel
would be completely different than anything in the theaters now. Ditch your
modern Star Trek designs and embrace the King.
REED RICHARDS IS A FRIGIN' GENUIS - He is the most intelligent man in the
world and everyone knows it except Reed. He is way to busy creating. Reed
needs to create something useful. We never saw that in F4.01. I want to' see
him create a Negative Zone Portal, A fantastic Car, Ben's Flying Air Cycle,
a thought projector helmet. I know he created a chamber to reverse cosmic
rays - but come on, that felt more like a plot device (Superman 2 anyone)
than something that sprung from his imagination.
GET A NEW CINEMATOGRAPHER- F4.01 looked like a television show. The shots
had no depth; the lighting was not very strong.
GET DOCTOR DOOM RIGHT - He hates Reed Richards because Reed is smarter than
he is, not because Reed has Sue; not because he lost his company; not
because he botched an experiment. He hates "Richards" because he knows that
Reed is smarter and he will not tolerate that. Doom is also noble, unlike
the Doom portrayed in F4.01 who is petty, dishonest and moons over Sue more
than schemes ways to destroy Reed Richards. I remember an interview with
Stan Lee that quoted Stan when he described Doctor Doom's motivation to take
over the world, "Doom wants to rule the world and the scary part is he may
actually do a better job than we do right now if he was in power." With Doom
you have to get the feel that he might actually be able to create a better
world, society and culture with him at the helm. The biggest weakness he has
little to so with his armor. In fact he only has two weaknesses - his hatred
for Reed and his love for Laverteria. Oh yeah, he has to say, "Richards?
Bah!" at least once!
KEEP CHIKLIS BUT DITCH THE THING SUIT- If you keep the suit, redesign it to
resemble how Ben really looks. The distinct brow. I personally was surprised
at how much of Ben came through the mask and chalk that up to the job done
by the actor. But what was most disappointing was the size of the Thing on
screen. Ben is huge in the comics. He is massive. Don't think that size can
be done without CG Effects. Take a page out of the LOTR and SW universe. A
CG Thing would rock (pun intended) and with the technology used on the Hulk
every emotive expression would be captured on film.
DON'T CHANGE JOHNNY STORM EITHER - Chris Evans is perfect in his role as the
FF's resident hot head. He just needs to loose the buzz cut.
GET A REAL SCORE - Think John Williams meets Danny Elfman. The music has to
be on the same scale as the visuals - Comic when it is larger than life and
intimate when the screen is filled with tender, emotional moments. Oh yeah,
CAN FRIGN' DOCTOR DOOM HAVE HIS ON THEME A'LA DARTH VADER?
VILLIANS - WE WANT VILLIANS - I want to see the fricken' Frightful Four
(Wizard played by Steve Buscemi, Trapster, Medusa, and Hydro-Man)! I want to
see Anihillus and the Negative Zone! I want to see The Super-Skrull fight
the FF and defeat them and summon his fellow Skrulls to invade the Earth! I
want to see Galatcus, the Silver Surfer and the Watcher but they have to be
done right!
IT'S ALL ABOUT THE STORY STUPID - Most of all, remember that we saw the plot
holes in the first movie and we are not idiots. We want to know why the
character do what they do unlike how Doom acted in the end of the movie. We
want action driven by a plot, not vice-versa.
Shane
--
--
Look at you. You're a little older, a little sadder, a little fatter.
Seriously, you might want to give me that apple back. I mean look at your
love handles. Have you seen yourself when you wrestle? They jus pour through
your tights. It's a good thing you're covered up. Seriously. Love handles?
That's not cool."
- Carlito, 9:08pm
--
Look at you. You're a little older, a little sadder, a little fatter.
Seriously, you might want to give me that apple back. I mean look at your
love handles. Have you seen yourself when you wrestle? They jus pour through
your tights. It's a good thing you're covered up. Seriously. Love handles?
That's not cool."
- Carlito, 9:08pm